Ever since Donald Trump was elected President of the United States back in November 2016, people have noticed some tension between the commander-in-chief and his wife, First Lady Melania Trump. During an interview with Closer Weekly, Patti Wood, MA — a body language expert and high energy speaker — weighed in on a series of photos featuring the couple, who wed in 2005 and are parents to an 11-year-old son, Barron.

Melania seemingly hinted that she’s unhappy in her role when she revealed last December that she would prefer to spend the holidays “on a deserted island, a tropical island, with my family.” A few weeks prior, a source told Vanity Fair, “She didn’t want [her husband to be president] come hell or high water. I don’t think she thought it was going to happen.”

Keep reading to see what Patti — the author of Snap: Making the Most of First Impressions, Body Language & Charisma, now available for purchase — had to say about Donald and Melania’s recent body language.